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Colorado GOP Betrayal, Open-Primary Battles, and the Grassroots Fight for Party Control in Colorado

Chuck And Julie Show with Chuck Bonniwell and Julie Hayden

Colorado GOP Betrayal, Open-Primary Battles, and the Grassroots Fight for Party Control in Colorado

Is Craig a con man?  It appears we were duped by newly elected CO GOP Chair Craig Steiner…. Who assured us he was for opting out of the disastrous open primary but then stacked his committees with RINOs who hate the idea of opting out.

Chuck Bonniwell and Julie Hayden Open with an Apology

In this episode of The Chuck and Julie Show, hosts Chuck Bonniwell and Julie Hayden open by apologizing to listeners for having briefly trusted newly elected Colorado Republican Party Chair Craig Steiner. They explain that after hearing Steiner speak and after hearing support from figures such as Ted Harvey, they believed he might genuinely support the Republican opt-out effort and help revitalize the party. Within days, however, they say Steiner’s committee appointments convinced them that he had misled the grassroots and was instead aligning with the establishment wing of the Colorado GOP.

Craig Steiner and the Opt-Out Fight

The central issue of the episode is the Colorado Republican Party’s fight over the opt-out, which Chuck and Julie describe as essential if Republicans want Republican voters to choose Republican candidates. They argue that open primaries and jungle-primary-style systems weaken the party, empower outsiders, and reduce the role of grassroots Republicans. Steiner, in their view, had promised support for the opt-out but then appointed anti-opt-out or establishment-aligned figures to important committees, making his early leadership look like a betrayal rather than a unifying move.

Committee Appointments and Party Power

Chuck and Julie spend significant time discussing the bylaws committee, legal affairs committee, and other internal party appointments. They criticize the removal or sidelining of pro-opt-out voices such as James Peabody and object to appointments of figures they identify as establishment Republicans, including Laura Carno, John Fielding, Tom McCracken, and others. Chuck notes that the legal affairs committee has been deeply involved in the party’s legal strategy around the opt-out and related lawsuits, so changing its balance could affect whether the party continues fighting for grassroots control or moves toward an establishment-backed primary structure.

Caucus and Assembly Versus Jungle Primaries

The hosts argue that Colorado’s caucus and assembly system may be messy, cumbersome, and imperfect, but it still gives party activists and Republican voters meaningful influence over candidate selection. By contrast, they warn that jungle primaries and open-primary systems make parties nearly irrelevant and turn ballot access into a pay-to-play process controlled by wealthy donors, consultants, and signature-gathering operations. Julie emphasizes that the question anti-opt-out Republicans rarely answer is how candidates would actually get onto the ballot once the caucus system loses power.

California as the Warning Example

Chuck and Julie repeatedly point to California as an example of what they believe Colorado must avoid. They discuss California’s long ballot-counting process, mail-in ballots, ballot harvesting, and races where Republican candidates appeared strong early but allegedly lost ground as later counts came in. They especially focus on the Los Angeles mayoral race involving Spencer Pratt, saying that late-arriving vote batches and slow counting create distrust. For the hosts, California represents the political future that establishment Republicans and Democrats are enabling in Colorado through open primaries and expanded mail-ballot systems.

Unaffiliated Voters and the Future of the Colorado GOP

The episode also addresses the growing power of unaffiliated voters in Colorado. Chuck and Julie note that more ballots are being mailed to unaffiliated voters than to Democrats and Republicans combined, which they say undermines the meaning of party primaries. They argue that unaffiliated voters can already change affiliation easily if they want to participate in a party nomination process, so the current system weakens party identity without solving a real problem. Their concern is that conservative Republican candidates will have little chance if nominations are shaped by unaffiliated voters and donor-funded campaigns rather than party members.

Substack, Media Censorship, and Political Humor

Later in the show, Julie explains how Substack became popular during the COVID era as a platform for writers and commentators who were being limited by YouTube, Facebook, Google, and other large technology companies. She says Substack gave independent writers a place to publish, build email lists, and monetize their work, but she worries that left-leaning voices may now be moving into the platform and shifting its culture. Chuck and Julie also discuss political comedy, arguing that conservative or independent voices such as Greg Gutfeld and Tim Dillon succeed because they are funny, while much of left-wing commentary has become humorless and predictable.

Budgets, Blue States, and Political Drift

The hosts also briefly compare state budgets and political cultures, especially Florida and New York, arguing that New York spends far more while producing worse results. They connect this to education bureaucracy, Medicaid spending, illegal immigration, and progressive governance. The discussion returns to Colorado as they mention budget problems, Medicaid concerns, and the possible loss of TABOR refunds. This section reinforces the show’s broader theme that government growth, progressive policies, and establishment politics produce higher costs and weaker accountability.

Closing with No More Optimism

Chuck and Julie close by acknowledging that the episode is shorter than usual because of a scheduling conflict, but they say the warning about Steiner and the Colorado GOP could not wait. They again admit that they were briefly optimistic and now believe that optimism was misplaced. Their closing message is that grassroots Republicans should understand they have been betrayed, that the fight over the opt-out is not finished, and that they intend to continue challenging the establishment forces they believe are trying to push Colorado toward jungle primaries and donor-controlled politics.

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Roots straight up. All kinds of things to talk about today. They are still counting
ballots in California. And they won't finish actually for weeks. They won't
finish until they can have the people that they want. They're doing that
balance in Colorado milled out. But first we have to. So they can start cheating
on those right away. And a bit of rare occurrence. We have to settle. I don't
want to say set the record straight. We apologize. We have to apologize. We were
duped. We're duped. The last couple of shows. We had Ted Harvey on on Monday
talking about the new Colorado Republican Party chair Craig Steiner. And
initially we said we were kind of skeptical of him. But after being you
know hearing his speech or he assured us all he was totally for the opt out. He had
the support of people like Ted Harvey totally for the opt out. And we were like
okay. And we actually said Chuck this will teach Chuck to be optimistic. This is
totally true. Yeah. It's like Chuck was briefly optimistic. I'm always optimistic.
And we said hey. Yeah, me optimistic. We think my dad
did he think this guy might be able to revitalize a party. Oh, it turns out we
were do Craig Steiner less than a week after he became the new chair assuring
us all that he was in favor of the opt out. Yeah, yeah, he kind of does what he
did is he put out a list of his committee appointments and now I'll get
into the weeds on that. Oh, no, we'll get in the weeds. Okay. But the bottom line
is he stacked his committees. So the voting members of the Colorado
Republican Party leadership that people decide about the violence and things
like that he stacked them with anti opt out people. He stabbed them with
rhino uni party establishment people who want jungle primaries worse.
General power. Right. Right. Worse. He appointed. So Laura Carno was one of the
rhinos who was censured not very long ago. 15 of them I think were centered for
continuing to support Brita Horn and saying that the party needs to pay
Brita Horns personal attorney Steve Kline some $230,000.
So I say, which the party doesn't have. So she was censured by the party, right?
What does Craig Steiner do? He appoints her to the top leadership committee. Now he
kicks off people like Chuck, right? Can you believe that? Well, even there, okay.
I'm okay with that. If he put in a some member of his group that was pro opt out,
but he didn't he put in one more anti opt out person. I just want to know this is the
all important bylaws committee because there's some important bylaw provisions we have to get
into to make that help govern to how how the party goes, right? So it was
James Peabody who's very pro opt out. He is removed but put it back in the committee in
John Fielding. All I'm drawing fielding objection. It was been been a bylaws establishment person
for decades and anti opt out as chair. Then he put Bob Patterson. He's come from
Weld County or around there. I remember seeing him anti opt out guy. Sean Hagerty is pro opt out
and James Peabody and he finished up with Tom Skovill who's from our neck of the woods.
Maybe one of the more unpleasant. So we'll just add that up. So now we have two people
on the bylaws committee. What will be out voted when it really counts three to two every time.
So you're I've been a couple of your people on there. Yeah, thanks. Thanks buddy.
And then he goes to the legal affairs committee which I was vice chair.
And let me just break it. The reason that's so important is the legal affairs committee is a
committee. Again, the opt out is disastrous for Republicans. We want Republicans to choose
Republican candidates. Pretty simple thing, right? Yeah. Yeah. That is wonderful. Right. Okay. Yes,
I'm sorry. And and and so the legal committee of which Chuck has been a long time member
was and there were several other people too. They've been the ones of kind of developing
the legal strategy that frankly so far was doing everything it can to save the party. Well,
let me say I understand. I mean, I just see it as high different lawsuits that take a lot of
time for frankly to understand how the interplay and how they're important to each other. So I was
left on that but but only if I behave I think. And so Kevin Longberg was a chair and I love Kevin
Longberg but he's anti-opt out. He loves the lawsuit as long as everything is thrown out
so the Democrats also have to do it and then go to a you know a primary but but that's unlikely.
We've got we won for the opt out but he hates the opt out. So he takes a place of
Ken to graph so without telling Ken to. That's right. That's right. That's right. This is
an important thing too. Craig's kinder apparently didn't tell. Everybody. And the people who were
being affected by this that this is going on. And so then to add insult to entry. Ted Harvey
is a point in place. Dave Williams. Oh, okay. Good move. Yeah. Yeah. I mean as much as we kind
of like Ted Harvey he's not Dave Williams. And certainly he says he's anti-opt out but Dave Williams
is fighting every day day in and day out to make a hopped out a reality. And so then he left the
wrestling committee on. For now. For now. What's the phrase? There might be changes.
Additional appointments and changes the composition of these and other curries
may be forthcoming. We're going to kick chuck out. And everything does it. Well,
do I want to be on a minority committee in which is trying to kill the opt out?
Well, here's the thing. So these are people. So what he did is that he
stabbed his committee and he stacked the leadership teams of the Colorado public and party with
people who want to get rid of the caucus and assembly system and have open. And have open
primary jungle primary jungle primary jungle primary which is incredibly stupid because
what do you need a party for if you don't have the caucus to send me now I'm going to go out
and eliminate here and I don't know this but I'm going to speculate Craig Steiner has his own
whoop-dee-doo get out the vote software system that he's developed right. My guess
my guess is that he wants to sell it to the Colorado Republican Party and he is doing the
bidding of the rich dark money donors so they will buy this system for him and he doesn't care
how the candidates get elected all he cares about is that they buy his software system.
That's that's I don't know that but that's my guess because otherwise why would he betray
everything I mean a days later it's like and from what we gather to self-tad Harvey who was
involved in helping get him elected in the first place tells us because we call tenants at Ted
did you do boss or you do and he said well I haven't had a direct conversation with Craig
which is interesting I think so so I don't know no one knows for sure who Craig Steiner is taking
his marching orders from but it is somebody that's not really doing because he they appointed John
Temple a Rockwell County Chair John Temple is great well but John Temple is already on the
executive committee he got elected by the big counties so he can appoint him and so they're
trying to explain to him he's not going to take position he'd be thrown out anytime as opposed
to when it's elected to and Keke's that's a good point and then can Davis is a good pick but then
he gets Tom McCracken the the one in America yeah he's Jeffords puppet uh-huh Laura Kinek
Carno the worst human being in America that one that's what I said she was she was centered so
there's no other way to look at this as the new Colorado Republic of Party chair essentially
giving the middle finger to the state's to the one in the state central committee yeah to center her
yeah because now they'll be almost 50-50 maybe controlled now it used to be 15 to 9 in favor of
the establishment then it became very close with the where the grassroots taking ahead and now he's
switched it back and he doesn't know what he's doing when he depends somebody who's already on the
executive committee can't get it. He's trying to make it sound like well yeah oh I didn't know that
here he's a nice rhino for you. Right now he's trying to make it sound fair so again we were
duped I don't want to set that straight we are not anymore thinking he's going to revitalize us
the party we think he's a continuation he's a britter 2.0 his job is to help destroy the party
hopefully making money for a software program in the US. While giving well giving clinder all
the money he needs that's right we're taking out all the legal defenses that the party has.
That's yeah I mean he's the legal committee was involved I mean it's hard to underestimate or
overestimate how significant the out doubt is for the Colorado Republican Party frankly the
Democrat Party too. The numbers came out today I saw this for the first time ever okay the
ballots are being mailed more ballots are being mailed today to unaffiliated voters
than there are being mailed to both Democrat and Republican voters combined. That's incredible.
So 50.5 percent are unaffiliated voters so okay here's the thing you can say well unaffiliated
well then affiliate it's like if you like Democrats or and if you don't switch back and forth it
takes about a minute and a half because I've done it because we did when Karen did the finger let's
all screw up the Democratic Party. It takes a minute and a half you go on the Secretary of State
so just sign up and go unaffiliated afterwards choose which primary you want it's not hard
but the reason they've destroyed any reason to be part of it if you're going to get two
two ballots anyway if I got two ballots I'd vote in the Democratic Party because it's more important
about you know Barb Kirkmai who cares right I mean who cares she couldn't be worse an
f-rated Republican senator who gave us his disgusting budget but between Bennett and
Weiser as I've said before you get your choice if you want the part of the city or rather the
state to die more slowly than a German if you wanted to die quicker than Why's is your man
and I'm not sure which is better I mean it's you know well and again as I keep saying the
caucus and assembly system is cumbersome and it can be chaotic and it's fraught with with issues
right but at least it is the voters selecting the candidates look what's going on in California
that's what they want to have happen in Colorado that's what they are pushing for that's what
Steiner is pushing for what's going on in California right now is what they want to have
happen here because they want the rich donors to pick a top few candidates will
all conspire who's going to be first and it's going to be second exactly and then and then
they win and the voters are all the voters I mean because they never address the people who don't
want the opt-out they never address well if you if we if we have an open primary how do people get
on the ballot oh what didn't it and I didn't know that's Thomas Thomas does that and they never
they never talk about well how do they get on the ballot well that's how rich donors
secretly pick them they buy and pay the candidates and then the top two or three
they're the top two get on because anyway anybody gets to know about you is money and
advertisements and and people go around it's a practical matter um tomorrow you say hey I want
to get involved in Republican politics and always enjoy politics all you have to do is go
next to being on PCP and they've got tons of empty PCP you know tomorrow and then become a
district captain unless they throw you off like Julie did by the rhinos yeah yeah I didn't get
on without no not me it was her this time uh and and you can be on you can run for chair
and you can't wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
with the with the jungle primary forget it you better go hang out at Phil's house well and
I mean the parties will be irrelevant the parties won't matter it won't because it'll just be
the top line candidates whatever candidates have the most money that they can pay to get
on to the ballot is brilliant knowledge it's going to be a pay-to-play system and you'll have to get
tons of signatures because all these groups that are caught on spring made all money by by
getting and guess and guess and really we got to admit it Colorado is very Democrat-leaning
guess how many actual conservative Republicans you think are going to ever make it on a ballot
again not well they don't know about it as much as as in lla the maris race you were in a
great campaign if there's anything else the third place furniture conceded and they just said
Spencer Brad no here you go they had one batch of 10 000 votes a batch of 10 000 votes with not one
not one Spencer Brad Spencer Brad that's that's what crape steiner wants to turn Colorado into
so we are no longer have to miss it hey Craig sinner it's like throw me out the legal
affairs to me throw me out for everything you lied to us you portrayed us and you are going to be
for six months and we're going to make your life hell I know extent we can because you're going to
make our life hell it's going to be us who are being divisive right oh yes it's you know here take a
note here unifying the party doesn't mean lying to one half of the party get elected get elected and
then screwing them over once you're in there that's not unity that's you know I suggest for Ted Harvey
he resigned to the death of position resigned from the legal affairs committee because he doesn't
want to have his whole reputation destroyed yeah so will I mean we'll be keeping an eye on it this but
I you know again I feel duped and that doesn't happen you're like hardly ever wrong um in the
I was right you convinced me this is a golden apple she gave me this is garden to me yeah no
no get a little optimism eat the apple you go on a wisdom and after oh it's poison yeah yeah it is
well you know it's a poison pill so so no more optimism the battle continues because I guarantee
you we're not done they're gonna do everything they can to continue to push Colorado into jungle
primaries they being the establishment uni party rhino republicans yeah I can we're gonna continue
to do everything we can to fight to save it the one thing we have on our side is that most people
favor it right most people support our position um that's why Craig Steiner has to stack it so
he's gonna try to you know I don't know we had kdb who slow walked it you know the establishment's
been trying to get rid of this for years we had um Dave Williams who successfully revitalized it
that's why they all hate Dave Williams so much it gave me everything to destroy it oh yeah and
then and then Brittle Horne just openly destroyed it and now we have Craig Steiner who pretended he
was going to be for it and now he's not going to be fortunate there's no way you would put some of
these people in the committee unless you wouldn't take off James Peabody and put fielding it we
would put more carnival there plenty of other put the and you wouldn't want to put in what's
name madam's county Thomas goville oh god you don't know that guy there were plenty wanted to be
unifying and say okay look I want to appoint you know some people kind of from from both sides
kind of in the middle there are plenty of people he could have picked right but to pick someone who
was so and it's Laura loracarno who's been censored it's so that's that and it's a cracking
couldn't be worse McCracken you're gonna see I kind of see the congressional candidate
well we all know that there was a meeting first day after we was a Saturday and Sunday all four of
them gave up their Sunday afternoon do nothing drinkathon and called them up for a zoom meeting
and told them you want any money you want to you want anything you get really out there
yeah I get really out there and he said he told me oh I can't right now I bet he would he said okay
would you like me kill yeah Monday and appointed an anti uh opt out to
slates for all the key conditions yeah I and I kind of again the congressional's made it clear
in some of the court filings they fought out said they could not win um in a in a closed
pride they could not win in a in a primary where only republicans could vote right they
couldn't win that that should tell you something that are for congressional representatives
do not believe they could get elected by republicans yeah I know I said something so we know they're
against it I think McCracken is probably a jeff heard push yes scoville he's probably a gay
babins yes yes um so and valvaz I'm sure she's awful from Ben county I'm not sure who she's
owning up to but but but and so just to kind of go back and talk just a little bit about that
it is keep in mind that the democrats are the one who pushed the ones who pushed in 2016 for the
primaries right and since then like I said what's happened well they've made the parties increasingly
irrelevant again as I say because they know the party the republican party using only organized
opposition to the jungle primary um and now they've got bailiffs are being made to more unaffiliated
voters so you're there are commitments gonna be what's the point of a primary unaffiliated voters
are dominating it anyway you know they're on primary they could be an independent party you know
they're not affiliated they think I think I think um
Ian shoots uh lackeys like Jimmy Sangerberg oh yeah we don't really need a primary
we can't yeah John caldera people like Darris and George right you know he's he's independent
though he's not at least he's not a republican right I mean oh not anymore he was until he
until he you know but he never said anything about democrats it's always you know he hates
years and again to talk about what's going on in california which is what
Craig Steiner apparently wants to implement here um the conservative trio has had an interesting
thing there have been seven since 2018 which was sort of the first election after this went in right
seven house seats in 2018 alone where the GOP was leading state house seats where the GOP was
leading right then then till days afterwards when they started to do the slow count and then
weeks later lo and behold all of the republicans lost all all seven of those races flipped and
then he said since then in so that in suing what eight years there has not been one race
where the slow count male ballots you know republicans in the lead didn't flip it
yeah not one race and so I mean you know they're clearly they've got you know baskets and baskets
oh standard though as a sangerberg will tell us and my friend peter broil's look at it's the
gold standard we love they love good old-fashioned so and again it's as messy as it is legging
the voters pick the candidates not with no matter's messy well it's less because you might because
people are voting right and people are yeah you get people involved in instead of some billionaires
in their consults that everything's really clean very straightforward no messy and it's there
you see it's not messy at all and then there's like hey i do it they're like yeah i do it pretty
too ai i will predict uh and again you get to california where and how do you even spencer
pratt i feel kind of bad for him he's like saying look there there's thousands and thousands of
bail and then where are these ballots coming from what do they mean everywhere thousands of bail
it's out it's like you know in colorado though what do they pass a law they can keep coming in for
more days yeah tell the democrats thank you bro why do they why is that right it's because
they have to see how many thousands of bailists they need yeah they're gonna count up your opposition
count up the fair vote and as a fair attempt to fix it then see what's the number as you need
to overturn it i don't think you're talking about cheating but we're gonna be wrong well that's
their plan right and that's that's why they have it and that's why it is so important that
california fight against it because you know you we've talked that this the economic situation
is is disastrous and california and jake it is a ton of comments we're gonna go ahead
you don't need to oh from jake you don't need to buy anything to get a disc from the secretary of
state of voters and resort the information by zip then street then by number um and you got to get
out the vote system yeah that's a good point um and then if the harvist gets to the address and
finds out the voter is since moved then that harvist writes up a claim that the voter does not exist
Alaska repealed the jungle primary did the state legislature of colorado
settle that failed oh that failed okay did the state of college legislature
settle the 1.8 billion dollar death yes they did they're gonna double it they're saying the next
10 years they can double it double it and you're not going to get your tabor refund anymore um
california may end up like new jersey where exxon mobile and samson have left 42 000 employees
well yeah but and it's really killing california is the the billionaire tax right no it's you know
so like well i mean okay i guess we'll leave now you know i said mayor of sel said bye bye
yeah and that's all well and good even in new york right and so then the governor's like no no
all your people from florida come on back around so uh oh so you know if you think you live in an
democracy you live in a cross yeah actually i try not to this this is this is a good jacket
i try not to think about the california election too much because it is so it is so depressing
and at a certain point they're not even trying to pretend now that they're not cheating right
they're not even trying to pretend about literally they're dropping 10 000 for that one uh uh for
the report not one well and you have to ask what how soon before they just quit pretending at all
and don't just drop it all like you know here's the result here's yeah it is but we had a i run it
and we realized there's no sense in republic and even run anymore because they won't win
and so we're going to have all these weird because no one will vote for our policies of course right
we have insane policies the democrats do um we want to destroy america um and we want to have
us the american's family right right whatever gender you are not pelly in charge scott pelley yes
yes oh he was so pompous to have right to know trying about the team but they went into combat
together right of course the limit is coming back when you were a reporter yeah you went in a
war zone maybe or something that i'm not producing so well i've done a firefight that you sound like
picture marks but you know yeah what firefight we went what can you do to our we were firefight
if you're in a firefight then not going to make times where putters are in firefights and if you
are you shouldn't be in one because you're not a splinter are you doing yeah you're not helping you
you're not you don't have a gun you're not defending you just you're just causing problems
so somebody would say what firefight were you in um but that's a weird thing too it was and
when we don't at this might be sort of a shorter show because we had a golf tournament at like
five o'clock this morning and again tomorrow but i was looking to not go well but tomorrow is
another um scott or al experiencing on sub-stack i was trying to explain to my friend more reading
what sub-stack is so if you guys aren't sub-stack was initially started when kind of during the
covid thing when you had a ton of people that one that the youtube google facebook all of those
places were completely censoring everybody who wasn't saying what they wanted and so
sub-stack kind of grew then and what it is is it's a platform it initially started as a writer's
platform where people could write blogs they could write columns they could write editorials
and then they could put together an email list and they would mail it out and you'd have a site
it's all it's all on sub-stack right you didn't have to get your own website you did to go to all
of that expense um and then sub-stack added a stripe payment so if people wanted to subscribe
to you sub-stack would take a cut so you could monetize your writing right um and for a while it
would i mean berry wisest what is it the free citizen the free whatever her her website after
she left in new york times right her sub-stack site was there and she created her own like little
newspaper on sub-stack basically is the best way to put it and he's noting so what's happening now
is all of the lefties um are realizing wait a minute you know all of the conservative influencers
and those people that kind of making a difference so all the left people are now taking over sub-stack
and as a result sub-stack is monetizing or promoting some of the more conservative ones less
and they're starting to censor it they're starting to censor mean comments and things like that
he's an experience and you know i don't always agree with him and he's certainly not a trump fan
but the guy is right about a lot of things including free speech he's like he's like it's
look what happened to you two right he said look what happened to facebook sub-stack was what
like the shining beacon um and now it's not anymore and then he said worst of all the truth is right
yeah worst of all he says it's boring he said he said lefty influencers are boring
which is true he said they killed late night comedy right they've killed all kinds of other
things and he said in all they do are write these pompous scott pelley esque anti-trib tie rates
right and he's like you know there's a time when elan musk was thinking about buying sub-stack
and he's like why would he even bother anymore you know i would know what yeah so that's just kind of
an aside there they're trying to make an making in-road but i think what will hurt them is is
they're boring and they have no sense of humor so that well what happened to the cold air show i
mean yeah boring pompous pious no sense of humor no sense of humor other than just endless political
humor skewed one way okay we've got take up your own fire today um let's see the california version
of save of save of the save act is on the ballot in november not for long yeah i heard that they
found a ballets under the smiley face and i heard that a legally blind woman was confirming
ballets is that the same person who used the braille atm on the driver's side god godfield
seems to be doing well yeah godfield is doing excellent well because he's funny funny he's funny
and he's he's right like we've talked about the comedian tim dillon that our son listens to some
well yeah it's hard to be funny all the time and he's certainly not a trump supporter but he's funny
and he's kind of funny you know he cares as long as they're funny right but cold air wasn't funny
no no well was anything else you wanted to talk about okay yeah um you know one of the two
budgets came out um in the spring one was from florida in one of those from new york no florida
in the york have equivalent populations of thought it's really and new york's budget is twice the
size of florida's and an increased six point percent well uh florida's went down a couple percent
um and they don't do any different it's just what the bang of your buck so for education
it's incredibly expensive how much they pay teachers and all the dei bureaucrats and
administration and everything else and then it was medicare uh cade uh medicaid rather in which
they cover you know anybody who's ever flown over to york if you're illegal and stuff um and it
costs them just a fortune and of course all the bureaucracy costs more money because they have
more things to write it right it's i mean that's what we're finding out too a lot in colorado a
lot of the medicaid um bills were for fraudulent right there were these like
odd everyone has autism. I gave his autism send it was good. It's the best one because
it's hard to be handling you can be a genius and be autistic you can be retarded as well you
don't allow to use that word um you can be mentally challenged and be autistic and therefore everything
in between so he said well truly autistic and you kind of go oh okay so he said i'll take care of her
and rather never go into some crummy hospital and go get it. I'll take care of her just pay me
ten cents a month or whatever it is a year. I don't take care of her okay yeah it's good.
I didn't think about you interrupting him on the budget. I would just well it's that's what it is
it's just you know you couldn't have a bigger blue state versus red state comparison and and
where is everybody flocking? Well they're flocking to florida. Nobody's dying to get into New York.
I'm sorry. You know you don't hear very much about their free grocery store program anymore.
Mondamis? Yeah. Well there's a reason for that actually. The free grocery store wasn't free as
city owned so you'd get great prices. You wouldn't it wasn't free you because it was going to be
eggs would be very cheap and essentials would be and so forth because they
prenosticated they were taken three years three years to get the first one started.
So it's not until 2029 that the first three are given one then one then one then one then
the other. Okay sort of a prototype. Okay so then three years to make it a trumpet and a
bill half a city and three. They built the Empire State Building. If you were if you were like you
know King Super's exact in your mind I thought you're like we've got this new suburb right this
giant suburb that we're building and we needed a grocery store there and you said you've lost.
Okay it's gonna take me three years to get that store up and yeah yeah very close you know get the
yeah. It would be like no it's not going to take you that long. How about
Wilburate Sheated Reporter Flash exposed the bigger. Yeah. What was it? I don't know. So somebody
Lauren Bobert told I think it was a Fox digital reporter to f off.
When she asked her something about an affair with Thomas Massey. No I personally
don't see an affair. Lauren Bobert have an affair with Thomas Massey. Maybe I don't know what that
was based on. I happen you know I'm not up to speed. She's not married. She's having an affair
with the entire western United States as far as I know you know you can go on a date with her if
you want to. But but um oh wait hang on she is oh she is having an affair. The affair was a
bar mitzvah. But I think Lauren Bobert you know you're right you keep seeing all these things
now coming up in Politico saying what's this this is an example of what's going to happen after
Trump. There are just can't wait for Trump to go away. Right. And Lauren Bobert I think is clearly
going over to the Americans for Prosperity side of things. You know the uni-party establishment
you know go follow the money. Well see what happens. I kind of think that um Gabe Evans is
probably in trouble. Just kind of this is a point of view. No every of these of these
reading ones say it's lean Democrats. So he certainly is a bit of a long shot. Um so we'll
only have three congressional. But then we read just the two. Yeah we have four that's that's
our biggest that's half you know we don't have that many other. It's the worst of all of them
though. Yeah. But he voted to he had some other vote now too where he was one of like four Republicans
to vote with the Democrats. Yeah. Yes I will say Gabe Evans, Jeff crank and Lauren Bobert don't do that
as much. Well unless it's with immigration he voted for the West McCall act. The White Act
or whatever it was called that really would allow you know amnesty to all illegal. Yes that was.
But I don't know why Lauren dignity the dignity. Um I don't know why Lauren Bobert I mean Thomas
Massey lost. So if you're Lauren Bobert you'd be like bye. Thanks. Yeah yeah if she was having an
affair she's she's not anymore. She's like because we need we need the new. Yeah we've got one too.
No yeah. But yeah I think it's funny and then there was a little blow up that the left is again
making a big deal that Donald Trump stormed out of the interview with Kristen Loker I think NBC.
And then somebody else pointed out so Trump said that was pouring rain they had all kinds of lighting
and technical difficulties sending the nerve. So we sat there for an hour and a half I guess.
And then all of a sudden she turns you know nasty snarky and Trump is like okay I've done.
I'm done. I've done. I've been in the car came all I've seen and he's got that God for
sake and wilderness to the interview. And then they say he stormed off it's like you know he's
and I think he even said it's like I've been sitting here patiently right but you guys have
been messing around. I'm like the president I'm busy. Call me when you have your lighting set up.
It's like you don't ask the president can you have the white balance sheet. So.
Listen to Mark Simone this morning. And explain that the big dump of stock
forcing the Dow to go down on Friday. It was a social funders showing stocks that they would have
money to save to purchase S.P.C.X. Oh is that yeah oh it's SpaceX. Yeah.
Elon Musk has taken his company public. Well I don't know all the correct terms for that.
So. Or then he had Thomas as they have good enough equipment to know it to know it to know it
to know it's gated. That's right. I P.L. That's right. Okay well should we anything else.
You're always ending earlier. Do you know. Today we had an excuse today. It's like we had this.
We didn't have time to prepare. So we kind of apologize for that but we did in fact kind of
toyed but not but then I'm like no we need to get it out to people that we were. So if you're a
grassroots person you've been betrayed and we betrayed you. I mean we said no we think
he's going to be okay. Wrong. Yeah. Wrong but don't blame me. It's a momentary to range from
where I was optimistic. Everybody need here. He sent me the hope of the hope of Apple.
So no more optimism. No more optimism. Not anymore. The Chuck and Julie show is cutting out all
optimism. For good reason. For good god and reason. Hey so apologize for wrapping it up early.
But we will have a full show on Wednesday. Full complete. Full over time for it. Yeah.
Thank you to everybody on zoom and Thomas say thank you and again Thomas come hopefully
you're listening. I apologize for the quick cut up but we will see everybody on Wednesday.